Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Sep 19, 2013 16:57
10 yrs ago
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English term
Spain
French translator
Native in: French
Works in: Spanish to French, English to French, Catalan to French, and 1 more.
bar
English to French
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description of an old english manor
This room adjoins the Hall to the South and leads to the southern garden and the bar.
It is hung with portraits of the XXXXXy family dating from the 18th century. The artists include Sir XXXXXX.
It is hung with portraits of the XXXXXy family dating from the 18th century. The artists include Sir XXXXXX.
Proposed translations
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| 3 +1 | pavillon de garde |
D. Eccher
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| 3 +2 | bar |
Tony M
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| 4 -1 | barre de la rivière |
Marcombes (X)
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Proposed translations
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pavillon de garde
or corps de garde. The context make me think in the XVIIIth century gatehouses/bars at the entrance of the estate. I hope it will help you.
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Tony M
: Again, it would be very odd in EN to describe a room leading to... the gate-house. In most such country estates, the gate-house would have been long way off, down the drive, and well away from the main house. + we're not very likely to use 'bar' like this
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GILLES MEUNIER
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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barre de la rivière
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http://www.theage.com.au/news/bar-reviews/the-pond/2007/12/1...
It is a place with plants outside the manor where people could take refreshments. Have a look at the link!
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Portion d'eau avec alluvions
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Note added at 2 jours17 heures (2013-09-22 10:43:13 GMT)
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http://www.theage.com.au/news/bar-reviews/the-pond/2007/12/1...
It is a place with plants outside the manor where people could take refreshments. Have a look at the link!
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: One would never in EN say that a room leads to this kind of bar, it would be nonsensical. / Your 1st ref. is to a bar that happens to be called 'The Pond'; yr 2nd is to the FR usage of the term, nothing to do with the source text here.
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it opens to some kind of pond
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bar
We know the portraits are from the 18th c., but when does this house actually date from? Although in earlier centuries it's true that a bar wouldn't be a common space in a house, but if this is a 19th c. house, then a bar would be quite a common space to find, along with things like smoking room, library, parlour, drawing-room, billiard room, etc.
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If we discount hydrological features such as 'sand bars', which wouldn't make any sense at all here, and 'the Bar' as in the legal profession, there really aren't that many possible meanings of 'bar' left in EN to choose from.
Only more context will naturally clarify this issue for those who remain doubtful.
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If we discount hydrological features such as 'sand bars', which wouldn't make any sense at all here, and 'the Bar' as in the legal profession, there really aren't that many possible meanings of 'bar' left in EN to choose from.
Only more context will naturally clarify this issue for those who remain doubtful.
Peer comment(s):
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Jean-Claude Gouin
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Merci, J-C ! :-)
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| agree |
FX Fraipont (X)
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Merci, F-X ! :-)
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Bertrand Leduc
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Merci, Bertrand !
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GILLES MEUNIER
: Au 18 e siècle, j'en doute, çà devait être des coins pour se rafraîchir. On parle de jardin Tony, vous voyez un bar dans un jardin à cette époque ? c'est inconcevable. C'est un anachronisme...Nous avons un contexte, regardez les autres questions....
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We don't know this IS the 18 C, only the paintings; we really don't have enough context to be so categorical about it. That is not SURE: the room could well lead to the garden on one side, and the bar on the other. We don't have enough detail to be sure.
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Jocelyne Cuenin
: "The Bar can be accessed from either the main front drive or via the Drawing Room and via a marquee when in place. The bar itself is very modern..." (we now know which castle it is about)
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Merci beaucoup, Petitavoine ! It does so help when we know what we are talking about, doesn't it? ;-)
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Marcombes (X)
: with Gilou
2 days 14 hrs
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Hardly surprising. But I remain confident in my knowledge of old English houses...
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