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French term

en flagrant délit

French to English Other General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters
From the description of the career of a police officer:

J’ai occupé dans ces deux unités un poste de chef de groupe, j’agissais sur la voie publique et en flagrant délit.

My best guess is '...patrolling the public roads, attempting catch criminals in the act.'

Discussion

Yvonne Gallagher Nov 17, 2021:
Directed Patrol definitely the best solution! Go Bourth!
Bashiqa Nov 10, 2021:
@ Asker Bourth to the rescue, again.
Gregory Chapman (asker) Nov 10, 2021:
Commentary sent in by Mr Alex Greenland DIRECTED PATROL is a tactic used by law enforcement
officers to try to prevent crime before it happens, from
running traffic
enforcement on a street where speeding is a concern to
keeping surveillance on a house in a neighborhood where
drugs deals are
occurring to paying close attention to any other public
safety issue. The areas that are focused on may come from a
statistical
analysis, which identifies problem areas based on calls for
service or officer-initiated investigations. Directed patrol
is a proactive form
of policing, unlike reactive patrol, where law enforcement
responds to a crime as the result of a complaint by a
citizen or a call to 911.

For example, let's say an officer responds to a citizen who
is reporting a wall that was tagged with graffiti. The
officer is reacting to
something that already happened, or REACTIVE PATROL.
However, a gang task force, who may set up in an area with
high gang
activity and serve search or arrest warrants or conduct
surveillance on drug sales while making arrests based on
what they observe,
would be a form of DIRECTED PATROL
Michele Fauble Nov 8, 2021:
La voie publique ‘Voie publique’ has a broader meaning than just roads and highways. More like public spaces in this context.
liz askew Nov 8, 2021:

Flagrant délit - cabinet d'avocats droits pénal parishttps://www.cabinetaci.com › flagran...· Translate this page
Ce terme juridique est employé pour désigner une situation dans laquelle un individu est pris sur le fait en train de commettre un délit ou un crime ...
liz askew Nov 8, 2021:
Yes, they are talking here of "crimes in progress",

Stages of a Crime Investigation and Criminal Justice Careershttps://www.ucf.edu › online › criminal-justice › news
Police officers may stop a crime in progress, apprehend offenders or suspects, locate and question witnesses at the scene, or secure the scene. Crime scene ...
Emmanuella Nov 8, 2021:
Des policiers en civil chargés des affaires judiciaires, cf. [3] dans le lien que j'ai posté ci-dessous.

https://www.cairn.info/revue-societes-contemporaines-2008-4-...
philgoddard Nov 8, 2021:
There are four key stages to an investigation into suspicious death in France:
(1) "en flagrant délit" under the direction of the prosecutor, immediately after the
crime has occurred;
(2) the "enquête préliminaire" for crimes older than eight days...
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.103...
Tony M Nov 8, 2021:
@ Asker I think it is simply referring to 'in-the-field policing' rather than 'investigative detective work'
Marco Solinas Nov 8, 2021:
In progress? Perhaps the officer's patrol responded to crimes (offenses) in progress?
Bashiqa Nov 8, 2021:
@ Allegro In UK, the Police patrol in unmarked cars with the express intention of catching thieves, drug dealers "red_handed".
Saeed Najmi Nov 8, 2021:
in the act Your suggestion sounds good to me. Catching criminals "in the act" conveys the idea of catching someone "hands in the cookie jar".
Emmanuella Nov 8, 2021:
Flagrant délit = Brigade Anti-criminalité

https://www.cairn.info/revue-societes-contemporaines-2008-4-...
AllegroTrans Nov 8, 2021:
Saying "I catch criminals in the act/red-handed" sounds distinctively odd as part of a career description. There must be a more formal term if that is indeed the drift.
philgoddard Nov 8, 2021:
You said in response to my now-deleted answer that this person was not a beat cop.

"Flagrant délit" is also a team that investigates recent murders, while the trail is still warm. Could that be the answer? And, if so, how would we say it in English?
ormiston Nov 8, 2021:
Helpful? First responder — the officer who responds first to the scene — has the responsibility to protect the public and the crime scene and control the changes made to the crime scene to the best of their ability.
liz askew Nov 8, 2021:

Definition of in flagrante delicto - Merriam-Websterhttps://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › in flag...
In flagrante delicto definition is - in the very act of committing a misdeed : red-handed.

Proposed translations

-1
4 mins

red handed

Declined
caught in the act

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Note added at 15 mins (2021-11-08 13:57:07 GMT)
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in the act = red handed
Note from asker:
Indeed, this does not fit the context.
Peer comment(s):

disagree philgoddard : This doesn't fit the context.
1 min
agree Francois Boye
2 hrs
disagree Daryo : the perps would be caught "red handed" if the patrol stumbled on them, but you couldn't apply "red handed" to this inspector! It's like confusing the seller and the buyer, and saying "the seller has paid ..."
1 day 2 hrs
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1 hr

serious crimes

Declined
I think this means he/she has worked both in hghways and serious crimes

Des crimes et des délits flagrants (Articles 53 à 74-2)
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr › codes
· Translate this page
A la suite de la constatation d'un crime ou d'un délit flagrant, ... intervenant par voie télématique ou informatique, les organismes publics ou les ...
Peer comment(s):

neutral philgoddard : You may be onto something, but I'm not sure your reference explains the meaning.
9 mins
Not sure myself now, have posted an alternative
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1 hr

in crime patrol

Declined
I think this could be the more formal way of saying "trying to ctach crominals red-handed"

The effectiveness of visible police patrol - What Works Centre ...
https://whatworks.college.police.uk › Documents
PDF
The effect of police patrol on crime and public perceptions. Reviews of the best evidence of 'what works' in policing to reduce crime have.


Surrey Constabulary: Part 4: A Policing Revolution: 1976-1992
http://www.open.ac.uk › history-from-police-archives
1976: Special Crime Patrol Unit (Burglary Squad): Marilyn Parsons: I was also on ... 1979, 10 March: Police Support Unit assistance to Hampshire to police a ...




Crime Patrol Satark - Sony Entertainment Television (India ...
https://www.setindia.com › us-en › shows › crime-patro...
Crime Patrol - Satark is a reality documentary aimed at crime prevention by recreating a dramatized version of real life cases. The basic idea behind the ...

Peer comment(s):

neutral philgoddard : I suggested this, and Gregory said no. I think something along the lines of your other answer is more likely.
43 mins
OK
neutral Daryo : wouldn't that better apply to "j’agissais sur la voie publique"?
1 day 49 mins
Yes, I think you are right
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+2
3 hrs

crimes in progress

..
Peer comment(s):

agree SafeTex : Patrol and respond to crimes in progress
11 hrs
agree Daryo
23 hrs
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4 hrs

active crime prevention

Declined
My interpretation.


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Note added at 4 hrs (2021-11-08 18:28:05 GMT)
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Or even just ‘active crimes’.

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Note added at 5 hrs (2021-11-08 18:46:32 GMT)
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“I patrolled public spaces and intervened in active crime scenes.”
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2 days 3 hrs

as part of a crime rapid response

... team or squad.

This is speculatively closer, for the asker's AmE purposes, to the scenario than my first answer over-influenced by London Met, Flying Squad factors.
Example sentence:

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USA: Portland’s Rapid Response Team commander: Officers can’t serve on team under ‘the extreme liability’ they face

Peer comment(s):

neutral Daryo : yes and no - yes, as "rapid response" in only relevant to crimes in progress, BUT no because "response" implies "waiting at base to be called", instead of "actively patrolling and stumbling on ongoing crimes"
2 days 22 hrs
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2 days 7 hrs

in flagranti / in flagrante delicto

I never suggest French to English translations, but for once, it seems that this one might be pretty easy... just wondering why nobody suggested in flagranti before?

Et ce d'autant plus que les professionnels du droit et de la justice ADORENT les expressions latines !
Peer comment(s):

neutral Daryo : strictly speaking your suggestion is not exactly a "FR to EN" translation, it amounts more to piggy-riding on the fact that Latin is the common root of both languages, and many Latin terms have survived in both ...
2 days 18 hrs
Ben je m'en suis aperçue, figurez-vous, mais comme décidément la bonne solution n'est pas évidente en anglais, il serait dommage de ne pas penser à la solution latine. Quelle différence entre "de fait" et "de facto", après tout...?
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