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Does the old translation industry still exist or has MT and outsourcing taken over? Thread poster: Matthew Held
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Juno Bos 
Zambia
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German to Dutch
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Robert Rietvelt wrote: Lingua 5B wrote:
While the demand in Dutch may not be super high, the supply is rather low. You don’t have many competitors. Source: I worked as a project manager. Let me help you out of a dream, IMHO we have (unfortunately) too many competitors! Not all of them equally talented I noticed, but most of them cheaper then me, but that is another discussion. [Edited at 2023-11-07 20:18 GMT]
But let's be honest our language pair is still not "Spanish - English". And a low supply... haven't noticed.
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| Same writer every week | Nov 11, 2023 |
Lingua 5B wrote:
How does one “train themselves in MTPE”? What is there to train about?
Imagine this:
You are assigned a job every week to translate or proofread an article of 2000 words written by the same writer every Wednesday and deliver it by Friday of the same week. The article is about something in the field which you work in or specialize in.
First time you got the assignment, it took you three hours to translate the 2000 word document.
But by repeating the same action every week, by the tenth week you are able to translate or proofread the article in 1.5 hours. That's half of what it took you to do in the first week.
You're getting used to doing this particular task not only because the material is written by the same writer but you are getting the hang of translating and/or proofreading. This also applies to MTPE and I guess this can be called training.
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Baran Keki
Türkiye
Local time: 09:43
Member
English to Turkish
| Dutch courage | Nov 11, 2023 |
Juno Bos wrote:
But let's be honest our language pair is still not "Spanish - English". And a low supply... haven't noticed.
I think you should thank your ancestors for not being too diligent in their colonization efforts like the Conquistadors. You certainly wouldn't have wanted any competition from Surinam, Indonesia or perhaps S. Africa...
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| Humans vs machines | Nov 11, 2023 |
Yasutomo Kanazawa wrote:
You're getting used to doing this particular task not only because the material is written by the same writer but you are getting the hang of translating and/or proofreading. This also applies to MTPE and I guess this can be called training.
But how does it differ from correcting a human translation?
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| No difference | Nov 12, 2023 |
Christopher Schröder wrote: Yasutomo Kanazawa wrote:
You're getting used to doing this particular task not only because the material is written by the same writer but you are getting the hang of translating and/or proofreading. This also applies to MTPE and I guess this can be called training.
But how does it differ from correcting a human translation?
Your brain is switched into a translation/proofreading mode, so there is no difference between correcting a human translation and a machine translation.
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Zea_Mays
Italy
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English to German
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| There is a difference | Nov 12, 2023 |
Yasutomo Kanazawa wrote:
Your brain is switched into a translation/proofreading mode, so there is no difference between correcting a human translation and a machine translation.
From my experience, there is a big difference: MT (=AI) output has fewer typos, spelling and grammar errors, while you have to pay close attention to logical errors. It can sound very convincing while stating something completely wrong, way more than human translations.
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Lieven Malaise
Belgium
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Member (2020)
French to Dutch
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Zea_Mays wrote:
while you have to pay close attention to logical errors. It can sound very convincing while stating something completely wrong, way more than human translations.
I have to disagree on this. I think it is very human to make the most unlogical mistakes possible because of being distracted. A computer can't be distracted, so it won't do that. Yes, it can state something convincing that is completely wrong, but so can human translators. I don't see the problem. It is one of the core businesses of a human editor to find every mistake, 'well hidden' or not. It's not a specific challenge of MTPE, it's a continuous challenge for every form of editing and machine translation doesn't make that more difficult at all.
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| Contradiction? | Nov 12, 2023 |
Lieven Malaise wrote:
I have to disagree on this. I think it is very human to make the most unlogical mistakes possible because of being distracted. A computer can't be distracted, so it won't do that. Yes, it can state something convincing that is completely wrong, but so can human translators. I don't see the problem. It is one of the core businesses of a human editor to find every mistake, 'well hidden' or not. It's not a specific challenge of MTPE, it's a continuous challenge for every form of editing and machine translation doesn't make that more difficult at all.
Yet you routinely flame anyone who questions the magnificence of MTPE by saying they haven’t done enough of it so the couldn’t possibly know. Now you’re saying it’s basically the same as editing human translations, which it obviously is and which most of us have done plenty of. I’m a little confused 😂😂
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